Easy Peasy!!! Stay the course Satori. Psuedo Mutuality. In the case of a third party entering that space, that new party becomes who they are truly in relationship with, (ie the OW) and as that individual has no integrity, no moral compass, is ok with deception, is avaricious, predatory and has no empathy, now that H is actually in relationship with this new person, they bring out the equivalent in him. Trying Hard: I take no comfort in what my wife did based on a MLC or just simple selfishness. like a bucket of water to his face We come here, where we are not quite so aloneand all of that Rage Sorrow and Pain needs to come out one way or another. That is a very insightful article on grief..Thank you!!!! Im lucky I wasnt arrested after that first night. If you think he is trying to formulate a better strategy well that is why you have an accountant and lawyer and counselor and your dad and family. The revisionist history of the M. The untrue accusations. Poor guy was mortified as I recounted what I had done. It took me about 5 weeks to suss out his real intentions tho. Thank you for the positive wishes and thoughts. So while my responses to them will be as per TryingHards Im fine to them all now, I already poisoned the well. There is no respect if the affair is still in going. I will add you and your son to my prayers. They are not uncomfortable about telling bare faced lies and they do not feel remorse for the pain and emotional distress this clearly causes you. (3). I was dressed up and ready to go when the text came in. Bottomless grief. There are no do-overs but Id definitely do a few things differently. MLC is NOT just about having an affair. If they were the Hs would be all happy and shiny. I did not mince words. She came over today (with a bottle of champagne) to let me know she wants to be friends that she loves me and misses me. When someone cheats I believe the best chance a betrayed spouse has it to make life very hard and very scary for the wayward spouse. She makes certain her marriage remains a priority, insisting on quality time together . Do you want your marriage? Be ready, have an agenda and try to stick to it. From scratch. Hearing others stories of betrayal and survival can be very empowering. TheFirstWife. This is moving at lightning speed and you need to protect yourself and assets. I am sick to my stomach at the prospect. And that is going to be to my detriment. No one can dictate how you should feel. Maybe the wise thing to do is start your own blog where you have total control over everything and can pick and choose your members. They just worked together. Which essentially means I cant say or do anything right, me existing is the problem. Dont limit yourself to the false belief that lewd rhetoric and abrasive posturing is all you have to offer. Your question made me go back and look at some of my journal entries.over the last three and half years. Should he stay should he divorce?? But Id like to order a colonoscopy for my H and ask them to vacuum his brain while theyre in there!!! I have a form of Tourettes now where I literally go fucking cheaters!! Thank you SingleDad. Losing my grip on my emotional composure. Just keep loving you son. I made sure both knew I was no one to be reckoned with!! Seeing the crazy in my eyes. Focus on God and pray for your partner. Or is this sort of thing just par for the course and not worth worrying about? He is younger than my H and in his late 20s. I believe its a timing thing and I have no idea what her motivation is. I cried once, when he said I was amazing and still hot (puke) and there would be men lining up for me (double puke). OMG SI I dont know what I would have done had I heard her name uttered in his sleep! More like last. You two need MC where you both feel safe opening up. If you are SO UNHAPPY (for years) why is this the first I am hearing about it? Your lives will be different but that can be a good thing. I have a small network of fantastic female friends who are all very supportive, a super smart and a fabulous brother. I have an attorney and my therapist on speed dial shoukd I have even a suspicion or hint if anything I dont like. Now, though, when I start thinking about RED FLAGS just before the affair and during? Um NO. It was a choice he made a poor one and he got caught up in the emotional side and it overtook him. Do not spend your days going round and round in your head asking yourself what you did to cause your spouse to leave. Certain if he saw me there he wouldnt come in. And then he decided to go. Settling on one good option might be a solution to feeling compromised, but doing so is hard because of the presence of many other available options that can be perceived to be even better. She was confused. He is saying a lot of things lots of mixed messages but no stated desire to continue in the marriage which breaks me. In terms of relationship, a spouses history and conditioning also bears into it. Thats why I left again in the middle of June for CO. You need to show me that you want this (the M) above anything. Between them and us the town was rife with gossip that spring/summer. Didnt care what happened to him. This feeling intensified once I realised the A had been going on for the period he was saying he was sick and sleeping, going to bed early etc. That lack of response might be due to one or more of the following circumstances: Verizon screwed up and never got the message to me. Sorry to hear about your loss. Ever since he had this A, though H is trying to walk away, sabotage it, it seems like he wants a totally new life. So for all of the men out there, women too run away from their families and responsibilities. Put up a good front even when youre worn down and about to lose it. lol I could write a book! In one hand was my car key, in the other hand was my ATM/Banking card. I do t k ow how old you are but it seems to be a common trend if teens & twenty somethings now. Tell him you just dont want to talk about it and you are still weighing your options with regards to R or D. Try to bring a little levity to the date. Just had to get all the toxic feelings out that he created in me. Im learning to live with it. He probably has not seen that side of you and should be scared. The cruel disregard and discarding, the active projections (read: smear campaign) let alone the stonewalling and the silent treatment are the real dealbreakers in this for me. But I found the heck out of infidelity books on Amazon! Seriously, just give it a miss. I couldnt work it out at the time, but now it makes sense. Unless, of course, he tries to cope with them. I was only on it for about a year. Whether its the AP or their friends/family, they need someone to stroke their ego that they deserve this. And like Vikki Stark, I thought he was talking about something mundane. Weve all heard that dominant crap. Thank you for the great post and article! [As an aside: maybe you could put in a claim or sue the OWs estate. It helped A LOT! I had all the financial info on that. The cheaters handbook must be out there somewhere. Focus on your wellbeing and your child(ren). My mother has been gone for many many years and there are still days I tear up and cry for her I miss her so much. Along with prayer is wusfim to become very educated about what youre dealing with as far as his mothers character or lack there of. Instead of Ambien I used Melatonin for a while. In the end, you can even write yourself a letter from the "beautiful far away". Its been close to four weeks since my last hectic post and Im healing slowly but surely. Prior to this she believed she was in a mutually supportive, loving, and monogamous relationship. Dont think shell do it as she explained to me that she is worthy and I suppose, I am not. I have been keeping things cordial and helpful, as always, but not pushing and certainly not talking about anything except work. But you must shore up your business commitments. But we went for a year and a half after that. What matters most is they dont do it again. He stopped being a goofy, fun, talkative, physically affectionate and loving man into a monster. He realizes his flawed thinking now but was convinced she was the one. In fact he can do whatever he wants and we will never impose consequences on him! Try and get him to feel comfortable even talking to you, and NOT running away. Its a cowards move. In December 2006, both of the parties dropped their respective lawsuits. I still laugh at this one. Shes on medication and doing alright somewhere in No. What with runaway brides, bridezillas, changing family relationships, money issues, and the pressure to be perfect. 9. Discuss business and not R. Do the 180. Satori was too dominant as a person and too skilful in managing male-female power relations. And I cut off communications. H is incredibly disrespectful about what my contributions to the M are. When I asked him if the EA was worth it .at least Im still aliveyup, having an EA saved his life. Lol. You have no right to do that and I find that highly offensive. But the OW is dead now. BSA, Thanks for your response. Im intelligent (according to my Dad this was the ONLY positive thing my FIL said about me LOL) so I will be fine in the case of D and should just go and get a job. TH, I hope you had a nice night despite the nerves. Me: Silence. And to think your Hs actions inspired someone else to do the same thing. He may not be showing you anything b/c he is angry you ruined his game plan. but he was once again distant. Gods justice is not the same as mans justice. More emotional hoarding under that rug that already has a mountain of shit under it. Seriously, just stop!! The infidelity is not the thing that has crushed me the most weirdly. They deserve to be happy. So much grief for her, for you its the worst. Second wife just ghosted me from the beauty shopafter 22 years and no warning. I think it is hurtful and so excruciatingly painful to hear your mate no longer lives you or wants to be with you. Satori Find one person, anyone, sister, friend, therapist you can trust and who has good judgement to talk to. He usually pays it 15 minutes before the policy will be cancelled. If and when you go to MC thats when you deal with the other stuff. Such a waste! You can be a better person and put the issues on the table. Life without him. The point that I hope you understand: we have all suffered through this crap called an affair. Read up on the 180 Turnaround. Even animals grieve so we may as well not fight it. We understand the sting of betrayal and the confusion it puts into our lives. Unfortunately his family had bought into his drama and is supporting his crazy behavior and justifications. I feel this site is a godsend AND sanity saver. Nobody sends you a card saying SORRY YOUR PARTNER BETRAYED YOU, or holds a memorial service. I advocate to getting bad ass empowered by any means necessary. LOL!! No more buying the lies. This is how my friend got rid of his ex-wife. My husband swears he wishes I would have caught him sooner. I read this article by Erica Manfred on HuffPo that describes cheating / leaving as an act of fear, aggression and symbolic violence, as well as narcissistic rage: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-manfred/hes-the-one-who-cheated-a_b_805510.html. We all want to help in any way we can. Not well at all. Kinda like the bank robber accusing the witness of being a tattle tale! ?and you will never trust me which is crap as I told him I have no intention of policing him and his whereabouts and trust is given but it has to be honoured. Did I want to live or did I want to die? He will move in with his girlfriend and have very little contact with the wife and the children. Youd like her. As I was busily watering my new garden if his things up pulls my sisters and niece. What behavior do I want to put an end to? In the end I guess you remember the beginning, but the warmth and golden light that he had in his eyes when we got together is no longer there. For me the strength does not come until I am further down the road in the grieving process and then we look back and see our strength that we actually got through it. But Im so fed up right that Im almost willing to risk it. And as hard as it can be, dont bring up R at all. No really, run while you still can. Its no fault divorce here. The lack of accountability and deflecting by BSA is a trigger. That tells you he doesnt think any of this is his doing. Our minds can be our greatest friend or our worst enemy. Or knows. I hope my head will be clearer and less chaotic in the morning. Seems like your W stayed in your home? What just happened? Weve all experienced and heard how they act like cowards and then vomit some wordsalad and we are left shaking our heads. You cant make him understand anything at this point in time. I was not going to let my wifes affair change me. I will forever be grateful for your very considered responses to me in this insanely difficult time of my life. Psychology Today 2023 Sussex Publishers, LLC. My story is all through this thread. Like I said I am lifted by my flanking angels 0X. I know this is a shocker but people lie to make themselves look better. And rather than look in the mirror and take responsibility for what he has done he deflects and blames and denies his choices and A. Start exercising. Why does he want to kill himself when he can finally have an out in the open relationship with Schmoopie, akd The Queen of Sheeba? Runaway bride before the . Never stop being you. I went to sleep dreading the next day and the commute ahead of me. They are all banding together against me. We just dont have the kind of control over other people. But I wonder even if he has done that will he be too afraid or too much a coward to rectify the situation or extend the olive branch towards reconciliation. BS only get to hear about it when they talk to others in the same boat. No anger, lots of love. I know a guy who butt dialed his wife while he was in a strip club!!! This article also gives a good explanation of things we humans grieve, not just death. No blaming Satori indeed in my pajamas. So sorry to overload. Because of this, they do not communicate their feelings to their spouse. Satori. Memes are in their own category. On the morning of the wedding day, Rebecca called David and told him that she wanted to cancel the wedding. More faith, more hope and love..less fear, anger, substances (chemicals, affecting feeling, thinking, behavior..legal or not Idc, are they healthy and safe? I dont know about anything anymore. It wasnt worth it to her as my h had spent thousands and thousands rebuilding her hovel. Based on what I know you cannot make those things happen. Im not sure what our CS gets out of this way of treating us but these three words are exactly how my wife acted. The minute I do the detaching he comes pinging back. God Bless your Dad. I called him about a half hour later and he told me he called an employee friend to come to the office to secure the building. I have shared with close friends, and one or two of them have been really supportive and some others just overwhelmed with their own lives and no personal fault but its a few outliers that maybe sit on the cusp of being able to move into closer friendship but maybe this tests them so they cant deepen. He almost had to be admitted after that. I think hes spoken and maybe you just dont want to listen to what hes telling you. I will take your advice though and do more research on one whose focus is infidelity. Im not a big talker on airplanes. Other peoples sensibilities rather than my ACTUAL PAIN. Just know right now you have the upper hand and you are in control of this situation. Thanks for being there and your feedback for my posts is always appreciated. Im a fixer.sometimes I just cant help myself.  Wilbanks did not offer to repay the whole cost of the search for her, which totaled almost $43,000. In other words, implied that this is my last day that I will be reasonable. TFW: I know I shouldnt swear. Everything that I thought I knew about my life feels like it is slipping away. Find one that is well versed in infidelity. Not sure how but she does. Its an affair. Not that I can remember. Then hilarity ensued, although I was unaware for weeks what happened between them, and he moved in with his sister 6 doors down from where we lived. He agreed to sign the paperwork in a couple of days when he comes over to do some business stuff. Thanks again gorgeous ones. Still wishing you strength and courage and all the best. H: I dont know. I found info on MLCs on line. Ive got a long road ahead still but I see my H improving by the month, by the week and even by the day in his relationship with me. Simple and makes perfect sense. Me: There are other options. Your life is not over. If you want to keep waiting on the Lord that is your choice. My grandfather stopped the cycle of family insanity and was a wonderful husband, father, and grandfather. I was a sight!!! The more I think about it, the more I feel OW was an Exit A to cement his leaving but may not be the actual and ultimate replacement of me, however that does not mean there wont be a replacement coming soon. But it may be too late b/c he can only damage your M so much before it is beyond repair. TryingHard. Its a Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde transformation. Time heals and hopefully time will help push these feelings away. It was calm. You will always wonder if it will happen again. To be fair to him, he stuck it out with me for 3 hours and this time he didnt try to run away or to bail on any of the subjects raised. After all the uncertainty, I deserve for it to happen with no more crap and excuses. She called me approx. Im sure he lives her and is conflicted. If the character is anxious and suspicious, you need to try to get rid of the premises that "pander" to such a state. Too bad, so sad for the sad little sausage . So basically yes, its the same as in your case but only NOW do I understand why he wouldnt do MC or IC. Ive found some OW sites but they are so inane I had to quit for my own sanity. I did not need meds but maybe you do for anxiety and PTSD etc. I hope you are well Puzzled, (And ShiftingImps, TryingHard, TheFirstWife, SarahP too). I couldnt sleep for weeks after d-day. I just try to be supportive and helpful b/c we all know the devastation that infidelity brings to your life. I fully believe that they know what they are doing is wrong but theyve lost their moral compass. And I put holes in every single excuse he gave me. I just think that it is hard to face the inevitable. I am just going to get through it. The grief is now omnipresent. Look all you needed from that convo was to take the temperature of the situation. He is the guy you would bet $ on he would never cheat. I am also defamed and smeared. You are making plans to protect yourself and YOU interests because well he just cant be trusted. You have given me a huge boost. and he truly is only hanging in until he can formulate a better strategy to get what he wants. What is my point? The point is keep going forward. My H gets it now but too late. Because that only makes matters more complicated. So we agreed Id come back when I feel ready. The 2 siblings sneak off in the dead of night only to run into a Texas Ranger sent to help them make their escape. Its been years now since that day and it does ease with time but still hurts sometimes, like an old wound that is almost healed. He has responsibilities. They had to see how to act with dignity and honor when you are being treated horribly by the person who should treat you the best. I wonder how long your grief lasted as mine feels like it could be here for the long haul. I understand you straightened him out with regards to your husbands cheating but being a family friend are you certain he is out for YOUR best interests? Its what cheaters do. I read your last post and I want to make a few points. So yes your H may recognize the D is looming. Being in business together just makes everything much more complicated. She was the Queen of Cordiality kind to everyone and her rule was that if she did not have something nice to say directly to someone, then she wouldnt anything. Somebody(!) Thats the important message. [latin Skankis feveri. I felt nothing would ever, ever be right again and maybe I should not even be alive. She didnt say she was outraged for what he had done to ME. Ive been too stressed to even take the Valium or sleeping tablets I have been prescribed as I dont even trust myself to have the bottles nearby. We don't spam, promise. Runaway Braut Syndrom (Gamophobie, Gametophobie) ass e Komplex vun negativen Persinlechkeetseigenschaften di net mat mentaler Krankheet ze dinn hunn. I had about a 20 minute rampage and then. I didnt sleep for 5 months after DDay1 and my Hs midife crisis A causing him to say I want a divorce seemingly out of nowhere too. There was no difference in his attitude toward me. No you dont have to have the victim mentality and turn bitter. It printed at the office. I appreciate the listening and the solid advice. LOL. To see things clearly has really fucked with my centre of gravity. He wouldnt answer his phone. Is it possible the MIL told him something like you can R it is still an option and that is why your H sent the nice texr? And no more cheating and end A. He wanted to die. Im freaking out. Life is too short to be filled with bitterness and anger. But, the mind of the CS is not their old mind. But she wasnt going to tell me anything. That is until the time was right for them. His text was beautiful but its hard not to be suspicious of motive. It sounds like you worked for the same employer as your husband. Others look at their life and say its been great but I want to accomplish this or this or that. Hes made this mess and I have a stinkin feeling he knows it. It literally makes me gag. If I find one I use it. (I made my DDay her DDay too by texting her the update of the nefariousness her golden child was up to). CS) are dangerous. Thing is you can move on and trust, somewhat, and have a successful relationship. You have given him EVERY opportunity to reconcile and you have shown your willingness to take him back and help him. TH BSA has had some good info but lately shes into an area for which I have very little interest. Some people dont want saving and thats their experience. He is acting like a spoiled child and he blamed YOU for his current state of affairs. 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